T2F (Pike/Quell)

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Nice analysis. I really like how you sorted them into green/yellow/red. Mind if I copy this format for a Battlescout guide?

Here's my 2 cents on the T2F:

- You said LLC suffer from lack of shield and armor piercing, which is true. However, I think the biggest reason they are a bad choice is because the low damage per shot (DPSh). Low DPSh on a close range laser is a bad combination because it's really hard to land more than a few shots in a row against good pilots -- they can easily move out of your effective cone. That being said, I don't think they are a "red" choice since they can potentially be useful on a node.

- Improved kill zone is my preferred choice on the imperial T2F. The increased firing arc really helps you land more protons, especially at a closer range. I don't think it's worth running it on republic side since you are basically forced to take B3G9 if you want hydrospanner.

- Regen thrusters are a solid choice when combined with barrel roll speed upgrade. I think it's potentially worth sacrificing 10% speed for more engines, especially if you are grabbing damage overcharges from behind enemy lines and you need enough juice to make an escape.

- Lockdown and slicer's loop are likely in the same class as they create a fairly similar affect. And they both have decent synergy with concussion missiles. Servo jammer also has decent synergy with concussion missiles. That being said, I haven't looked to see if copilot abilities for any of these have properly aligned with the ideal passives. E.g. I think bypass is a 'red' on imperial side for most ships because you need to give up pinpointing (6% accuracy) to get it. But the T2F is one ship that doesn't take pinpointing as mandatory. You could potentially run run Khem Val (firing arc + rapid reload) and spam super shield piercing concussions and clusters. I agree that hydrospanner is the only 'green' T2F choice in this meta.

Yes, absolutely feel free to copy this format!

1. Are LLCs really a low DPSh in the new meta? I have had great success hitting things with them when using them on a node. That said, I've found HLCs to be better in general.

2. I'll get there with my comments (maybe not today, though). It's a yellow choice because I think the other choices are generally better. Yellow doesn't necessarily mean "bad", it simply means that I think the other choices are usually better and caution should be used before selecting one of them. Of course, caution should be applied even when selecting green choices, but this is even more true of the yellow choices.

3. I can see regen thrusters being a decent choice combined with speed, and I'll give it a try. However, I've really enjoyed having double speed in both TDM and DOM. Running QCS gives you more engine regen already, though.

4. IIRC, Slicer's loop stops all regen for 8 seconds, and Lockdown removes 40 engines. If you're going to choose one of the two, I think Slicer's loop is significantly better.

Do we know if Servo Jammer stacks with the slow effects of ion and conc? I believe Close said that ion and conc slows don't stack with each other. However, either of these abilities seem poor compared with Hydro Spanner. I really think Hydro Spanner is--by far--the best Copilot option for this ship, so I won't spend much time commenting on the other options. One of the biggest weaknesses of many of these copilot abilities is their long cooldown--a whole minute.

A side note on EtS.... using it after a missile is launched... also kills the missile ... making the enemy have to wait an entire cooldown before launching that missile again. Of course... with Quell players I have seen where they will use the EMP first making you have to kill that and then they'll launch the torp next anyway... so it doesn't work well against ships using double missiles.

I agree hydro is by far the best so it's really not worth discussing the other abilities in great detail. But I will add that lockdown has a 45 second cooldown and that Slicers loop's effects on shields and blasters is usually insignificant. It might be decent against quick charge shields.


Concussion missile + servo jammer should work fine. There are two types of slowdown in the game - maneuvering (turning +speed) and speed. Debuffs that affect maneuvering can stack with debuffs that affect only speed, and vice versa. In other words, you can stack one of A with one of B. But you can't stack two A or two B:



A. Maneuvering debuffs
Interdiction mine (-60% turning+speed for 20 seconds)
Interdiction missile (-50% turning+speed for 8 seconds)
Interdiction drone (-50% turning+speed for non-fixed seconds; minimum is about 5 seconds)
Interdiction drive (-20% for 9 seconds or -30% for 6 seconds)
Servo Jammer (-20% turning+speed for 20 seconds)


B. Speed debuffs
Ion railgun slow (-40% speed for 8 seconds)
Ion missile slow (-40% speed for 6 seconds)
Concussion missile slow (-30% speed for 15 seconds)
Seismic mine slow (-50% speed for 3 seconds)



Pre 5.5 servo jammer used to be in column B, but now it's in column A. It's possible that there's a glitch that causes it to still act like a column B debuff. I'll test it out.

Nice work on the guide. I don't think I disagree with any of the ratings you gave things. I can do a ship or two too if necessary.

Updated. I may proofread at some point, and also add some ship-specific tips for TDM/DOM. Anyone is welcome to use this format for their own guide to any of the other ships.